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"This poses an interesting challenge. Atheism has a kind of “reverse Theodicy”: If the universe is cruel and uncaring, whence Good?

Christianity has difficulty explaining Evil, but Atheism has difficulty explaining Good. Curious, but unlike in the theistic case, not unsolvable."

Yes! I think this also ties into another pattern: atheists have a harder time practicing goodness and virtue than religious people, especially from the religions of the book.

My model is that as you suggest, nihilism or cynism is an attractor for atheism because it can so easily conceptualize the bad, the terrible, the dead. Whereas for all their failings, many religions have shards of the good: charity, humility, trying to improve the world.

Although it's dead now, the Ancient Wisdom Project (https://theancientwisdomproject.com/) was an interesting attempt at distilling these shards through practice: the guy picked a religion/spiritual tradition per month, a couple of key practices from this religion, and did it for the whole month to see what it led to.

"The Buddhists have a concept I really like, called “sotāpanna”, “stream-enterer.” I’ve found myself using this phrase a lot lately.

In this framework, “stream-entry” is the first stage of Enlightenment, where once you have reached this stage, although you are not yet proper capital-E Enlightened, you are “in the Stream”, and you will be washed downstream to the great Ocean of Enlightenment (“nibbāna”), sooner or later. You’ve done, in some sense, the hard part."

I had never heard of this concept, but it resonates a lot with what I wish for. My own difficulties with virtue, wisdom, and progress has been finding a way to enter the Stream (at least the Wisdom version of it), what I expect you would call a reliable Process to keep moving towards the end goal. Instead I find myself taking local gradients that are broadly good, but without knowing that they lead to an end goal, or even really understanding what the good end-goal is.

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"There are deep connections between Les Lumières and Sambodhi, but they’re not the same thing. They are more like two different stabs at something deeper. Neither of them have the Full Story. I will be using the word “Enlightenment” to refer to the Full Story."

lol, based

(also hi connor nice to see youre still alive :D)

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